What Is The Most Reliable "non truck" vehicle?

"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley)
07/03/2020 at 10:23 • Filed to: None

A lot of the claims that I’ve been handling are for oil companies, large commercial agriculture operations and Hutterite colonies.

I routinely see semi trucks, full size Cummins Rams and Powerstroke Fords with over 800,000km (500,000 miles) on the odometer, even into the millions of kms.

Obviously maintenance comes into play to a huge extent, but how come we don’t see these “overbuilt” engines in normal cars or even SUVs?

What is the most reliable LOOOOOOONG term car or SUV on the market that could even come close to these numbers these days?

I think the increase in tech we’re seeing in the market these days will lead to more problems than less. Nobody wants a 200,000km luxury car with dead cameras, screens and a malfunctioning auto brake system.

DISCUSSION (71)

Cash Rewards > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 10:28

Camry, right?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Cash Rewards
07/03/2020 at 10:30

is it? I have no idea.

dogisbadob > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 10:31

Toyota makes the best cars :o)
The 3rd gen Camry is the best car ever made, but any 90s Toyota will last forever.

But it fucking PISSES ME OFF that they make their digital odometers stop at 999999 WTF? And the 03-08 Corolla/Matrix/Vibe stops at 299999! And for you guys, it’s km, at least down here it’s in miles, but still.

They need to roll over to zero after 999999

The only car odometer I know of that rolls over to zero after 999999 is the Australian EL Falcon (mid 90s)

avalonian > Cash Rewards
07/03/2020 at 10:31

Yea, any toyota product honestly.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 10:34

“I think the increase in tech we’re seeing in the market these days will lead to more problems than less. Nobody wants a 200,000km luxury car with dead cameras, screens and a malfunctioning auto brake system.”

This is why I HATE that you can’t get a truly basic car here in Canada anymore....no touchscreens, no fancy stuff...just, at most, like...power windows and power locks and cruise and A/C...

You can still get them in Europe. But cars aren’t going to last anywhere near as long anymore because there’s so much tech stuff that will just fail over time...

My old man is showing I know, but short of rust, I bet my Accent would last a lot longer than most current new cars....

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 10:39

Yeah. My next purchase will more than likely be my last ICE car. I want long term, basic, OK for a kid or two.

The shitty thing is I have a tiny driveway. My D100 won’t fit on it even. The Sportwagen is a little too long and I can’t have anything wider.

dogisbadob > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 10:43

Micra?

HammerheadFistpunch > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 10:44

Well the divetrain in the 100 series land cruiser has been shown to last a million miles.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > HammerheadFistpunch
07/03/2020 at 10:46

I’d love a taco or 4runner, but I don’t think one will fit at my house.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 10:48

I've got 250,000 miles on my miata. Sure it's on a second engine that needs replacing with a third but who's counting? Some of those trucks could have easily gone through major driveline components in the same regard.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 10:50

What also sucks is there are no basic EVs....everyone make EVs seems to have this idea that they need to be crammed full of tech. If I could get an EV that was as basic as like....a Micra, but......with an EV drivetrain, that’s all I would want. Though I would still want to wait a bit until range on EVs generally improves a bit more and, moreso, the charging time lowers a lot more.

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 10:51

You ever hear about auto manufacturers buying back cars that are able to achieve incredibly high milage? They do that so they can figure out where they need to cut corners to guarantee an earlier failure while simultaneously saving a buck on production. Planned obsolescence. Same reason none of your major appliances last more than a decade. They could build all of this stuff to last multiple lifetimes, but if they did they wouldn’t have as many repeat customers. So instead you get a $120,000 3 series which is specifically engineered to have every bit of plastic and rubber degrade to the point of uselessness in under 5 years or 60,000 miles.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > dogisbadob
07/03/2020 at 10:51

The Micra is going to be discontinued after 2020 I think :(

Jim Spanfeller > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 10:55

Kinja'd!!!

I mean think about it... There’s not a whole lot that can go wrong, and if something does go wrong it’s usually easy to fix yourself. They’re extremely popular for a reason.

tpw_rules > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 10:56

Has this actually started happening? A lot of this stuff isn’t mechanical and doesn’t really wear out.

I lived in Germany for six months and I bought a 2001 V12 S600 to indulge my various German car fantasies. It had around 200,000km and everything worked perfectly. The CD based nav, the CD changer, the backup beepers, the Distronic cruise control, the 87 way heated and cooled seats, the ABC hydraulic suspension, the little motorized tape deck door, the integrated carphone (though I didn’t have a SIM), four way climate control, etc., etc.

I had to replace a throttle position sensor and the battery, but an Accent is equally vulnerable to those failures. There are well-known failure points for those W220s, like the excessively complex ABC. But that’s a mechanical thing and something even cars today don’t often have.

C ars are on the road for longer than ever and I think it’s a lot more likely these sorts of luxury/tech items will become too outdated and quaint to be worth anything, rather than fail. Would you bother to turn on the screen if it didn’t support your new phone in a decade?

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 11:00

I’m so torn on this one! This is also my feeling, that all the crap they cram into cars is just going to break rendering the car partially or completely non-functional.

But on the other end of the spectrum I remember people saying that fuel injection was going to be the end of the home mechanic because you couldn’t work on injection systems at your house. Then it was ECUs. ABS. Whenever cars get a new thing people say it is the end of home wrenching and (unless you’re buying a John Deere) it really isn’t.

So I feel like yes, this all the tech in cars is going to make them a lot more complicated to fix... but also, somehow and improbably, we’ll find a way.

My experience with this is limited to early 2000s luxury cars, but on the Disco and the Jag both there are work-arounds for expensive luxury component failures. The Disco’s air suspension and active sway bars are both problematic and expensive to repair, so there are delete kits readily available. Also the ABS has a flawed design, so there are detailed instructions on how to fix it while keeping the ABS working. On the Jag people have developed ways to augment the factory head unit and get it to run android while still working with the HVAC, nav, and steering controls. Additionally the self-leveling HID system is known to fail and extremely expensive to replace, so two strategically placed screws turn them into normal headlights.

I’m not sure what the future of cars will hold, with increasing connectivity , OTA updates, DRM, and screens everywhere, but I’m mildly optimistic.

That said, I’m also glad my cars don’t have half the features of new ones...

sony1492 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 11:01

A problem with newer cars is higher specific output engines that will wear out sooner. If you have a 3 L v6 engine making 220 hp and a turbo 1.5L I4 making the same power, the 4 cylinder won’t last as long due to more extreme conditions necessarily to create that power. Each cylinder has to do more work and dissipate more heat, further these high efficiency tiny internal wastegate turbos are not likely to last over 10 years and 120,000 miles without becoming problematic.(once the turbo starts leaking oil past the shaft seals your cat is going to die leading to other problems)

My money would be on the Land cruiser followed by the Sequoia

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > Cash Rewards
07/03/2020 at 11:01

New one though? I thought Toyota had sort of lost their way on reliability recently.

RacinBob > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 11:11

‘84 Mercedes 300 turbo diesel.

MiniGTI - now with XJ6 > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 11:11

Agreed, I’m guessing the reason is that such a car would still be over USD $30k and they figured no one would buy such an expensive car that wasn’t at least trying to compete in its price class

gettingoldercarguy > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 11:12

Lexus ls400/ls430

dogisbadob > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 11:17

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :(

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 11:21

There are two V6 car engines that deserve recognition: the GM 3800 V6 and the Motronic-injected SOHC Alfa Busso V6. Both of these engines are known to have a few small flaws (intake leaks on the 3800 and timing belt stupidity on the Busso) that if addressed as required in no way prevent the rest of the engine from being nearly eternal. GM 3800s are well known for their durability and long life already, as many of them were made, and many of them still run fine, long after the rest of the car they were in has crumbled to rust-dust, or blown up it’s 3rd transmission and been junked. Not as many people are aware of the Busso’s durability, but as the Motronic-equipped 164s age, it becomes more and more obvious that the engine is NOT the weak link. My 1992 164-s had over 400k miles and still ran like a top. The Busso was built like a racing engine with exceptional attention paid to lubrication, cooling and me tallu rgy . W hen used in a normal street car making ~200hp from the 3.0l version the internals are nearly et ernal. The GM 3800 is an understressed, well engineered application of old technology with modern materials and quality control, and even though they aren’t fancy, they Just Work™. And they keep on working forever and ever and ever... Both of these engines require faithful oil changes, as neither has quite the over-capacity filtration of truck engines, but with normal care both will last 1/2 a million miles or more without ever requiring more than regular maintenance.

Cash Rewards > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 11:21

That v6 is supposedly bulletproof, and their hybrid systems are supposed to be incredibly reliable. They haven't switched to turbo engines yet, still old simple reliable v6 for the camry

Cash Rewards > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo
07/03/2020 at 11:34

Power train wise, it's still the same old simple NA V6 (no turbos for Toyota yet), or their dead reliable hybrid.

zipfuel > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 11:51

Like the other fella said. Electric cars are currently expensive due to the batteries etc that need to be put in them. However automakers have conditioned the buying public to believe that trim levels and tech toys are what drives the price of a vehicle when in fact those doodads cost sod all and are mostly gravy for them. (Jason’s changli cost ~ $900 total with a backup cam and mp3 stereo , now explain to me why your “technology package” costs $2,000 again)

If you’re going to ask early adopters to pay top dollar then you wanna make them feel better about it.

That said I sat in a base Chevy bolt at the autoshow and that felt pretty Micra like in size, fit and features. Except it’s a Micra with GTI acceleration... And likely my next car.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > MiniGTI - now with XJ6
07/03/2020 at 12:04

Yeah, I always use the Kia Soul EV as an example...I really like the Soul and a current ICE Soul can b e bought, base model for like...$21,000...but the Soul EV is $42,000....literally double the price for the exact same car except with an EV drivetrain...

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > dogisbadob
07/03/2020 at 12:04

It makes me sad as well.... :(

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > zipfuel
07/03/2020 at 12:06

The Bolt seems like a decent car...I watched a review somewhere on a Canadian site and they quite liked it. I’m not as huge on the styling of it though and it’s still quite expensive...$44,000 CAD!!!

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t
07/03/2020 at 12:09

The manual trans in the Alfa 164 is also super durable... So engine and trans last forever... The rest of the car... Well... Um... They’re much better than most people think, but not the engine/ trans combo is super (as long as you change the timing belt and tensioner at the right intervals). The 3800 will easily outlast many transmissions... The 4T60-E is the weak link in automatic 3800-equipped cars , and the GM transverse manuals were also kinda crap... But the 3800 is great.

avalonian > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo
07/03/2020 at 12:12

Really, I hadn't heard that. I know there have been complaints here and there, but honestly I prefer toyota reliability over honda.

DipodomysDeserti > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 12:18

I’m very impressed with the 2UZ and four speed auto combo in my Tundra. Over 200k miles and the thing drives like new.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > DipodomysDeserti
07/03/2020 at 12:20

I’m not a “truck guy” but it increasingly seems like a truck would be a great last ICE vehicle.

Unfortunately , there is no way I could fit a Tundra at my place. Or even a Taco....

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 12:22

you can get a JL with crank windows, no ac, a manual and no AC!.

Or a gladiator!

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo
07/03/2020 at 12:22

I thought this too

Benjamin the Canadian > tpw_rules
07/03/2020 at 12:22

This is a good question. We’ve had luxury cars for years, and none of them had any serious failures of non-mechanical systems. (Our G35 had an intermittent cruise control bug, which was covered under warranty every time it broke, and our TL Type S lost seat memory at some point, but that is apparently a common issue with them, and not expensive to fix.). All of our screens and seats and so on kept working. In fact, our A4 allroad is in for service. It gets driven hard and often, (4 years old and at 120K KM.), but while it does need work, all of it is suspension related. Nothing electronic has failed.

Cash Rewards > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 12:47

I was looking at a used Prius, and the consumer reports data for them is unbelievable. Next to no reported issues

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 13:05

What you are describing is a base 2 door Jeep Wrangler.

Dogsatemypants > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 13:10

Something something 90's to 00's Toyota side.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > DipodomysDeserti
07/03/2020 at 13:15

Yeah, the transmission is just there to do its job but it never complains, ever. And the engine is rock solid. A radiator was the only major failure my dad's truck has ever had.

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 13:17

A MAINTAINED W123 will be up there. Note, it must be MAINTAINED BY THE BOOK (yes, I am shouting). And it may develop HVAC quirks or the dash may crack if it is blue, but mechanically, the service life is almost infinite as long as it is MAINTAINED.

zipfuel > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 13:20

Yeah, lightly used ones around me that are knocking on $30k

Know a guy who has one and says he likes it better than some of the other hot stuff he’s owned (supras etc)

Seats would need work though, I’ve never felt my neck start to ache from the time I’ve sat in an autoshow car...

Used last gen electric Kia Souls are available in the teens but they don’t have the range of the new ones. I'm hoping this is a precedent of depreciation to come.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > Jim Spanfeller
07/03/2020 at 13:20

#notatruck

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > dogisbadob
07/03/2020 at 13:23

If I recall, the 2000s Toyota Avalon had a digital clock that stopped after only a few years.

Also, 299,999 is just lazy because you still have lots of display room.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail
07/03/2020 at 13:28

210 though

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > zipfuel
07/03/2020 at 13:29

Yeah, it’s still range and charging time that are a bit of a stickler to me....I’d love to see charging times drop a bit more in the next few years....

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 13:30

2000-2002 E-class. Engine and trim levels don’t matter. You can’t go wrong if you just change the oil and trans fluid every now and then. And maybe a crank sensor at some point.

It might not be perfect, and some things might not work right. But it'll run forever.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available
07/03/2020 at 13:30

True, but I am not a truck and SUV and Jeep person. I like little hatchbacks, and, aside from the soon-to-be-gone-from-Canadian-dealerships Nissan Micra, there aren’t many basic cars left you can get up here :(

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 13:32

You mean the base-spec Gladiator that starts at FORTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS, CAD because of the ‘Jeep Tax’ ?

HAHAHA, no. I don’t mind Jeeps, but I’d only ever buy one used for a LOT cheaper than that....

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
07/03/2020 at 13:33

I suspect a diesel variant could be up there - just gotta maintain it. 210s sometimes get an unfair bad rap - bad ones exist, and MB had some issues during that era, but I have seen plenty of miled up ones still moving along fine.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 13:39

If you can deal with the slowness of the third gen, I believe they are shorter and narrower than my Corvette, and they aren’t super tall either. My 4" lifted second gen is only 6'4" or so.

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 13:57

If you lower it. . .

Kia Soul still has a manual, but only in boring colors here. Corolla hatch is pretty fancy. Elantra GT? I don’t know of any passenger cars that still have crank windows so I think cheap manual is where it is at.

I like my power windows but I also far prefer manual seat adjustment. Power seats are s l o w and heavy. Can't say I've known one to break.

LastFirstMI is my name > RacinBob
07/03/2020 at 14:08

Came here for this. M-B is still coasting on the reputation of this era.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 14:11

I dunno, 43K seems like a fair deal to me.............. Maybe I need my head examined.

But, it wouldn’t fit in my driveway or garage.

Jim Spanfeller > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 15:30

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I think we live in a culture now where we glorify technology so much that we assume if something is more technologically advanced it is automatically better. So we cram feature after feature after ultimately unnecessary feature into every last little thing even though we’re never going to use half those features and an analog solution would work just as well and not have glitches. Not only that, but it drives me crazy when tech companies focus so much on coming out with the next feature-packed whatever when they ought to just be focusing on improving the technology we already have. Like, phone technology right now is about as good as we’ll ever need it to be. I know my phone has a gazillion features I’ll never need and several I probably don’t even know about, and I’m often frustrated when technology seems to be glitching because of a feature I never wanted in the first place. I just want a phone that has exactly the same or less features as the previous model but with improved reliability. Is that so much to ask? An d can cars just be cars again and not be touchscreen-laden button-filled expanses of endless unnecessary features and headache-inducing configurable driving modes? I miss when cars were just cars and they drove the way they drove and the only buttons you needed to worry about were the radio and A/C. Sorry about the rant, it’s just...

TL;DR: Everything is too complicated now.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail
07/03/2020 at 15:33

2000-2002 gas. I bet over the course of its life it would be cheaper and easier to own than a 123 of any variant and have less crap break. But rust issues in rusty areas...

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
07/03/2020 at 15:42

I was thinking like Euro 200D, manual everything. I think most or all of the US spec cars might have had some form of auto climate control, which you know can be a pain, along with the locking system and cruise control etc.

In the online forums I have seen some amazingly rotten 202s and 210s.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 15:44

Yes! This!

I want a dumb slab of Lithium ion batteries, a charge controller, and an inverter. No touch screen. No turn by turn navigation. No connected features.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > BaconSandwich is tasty.
07/03/2020 at 16:01

Same, if you could give me a basic model car...except just an EV drivetrain (like my Accent, or a Micra, or a Kia Rio, Mitsu Mirage, etc) at a reasonable price point for a cheap car (like, say, $18K like your garden variety ecobox), then I’ d definitely consider one (if it also had comparable range), but otherwise...I just have no hope of affording one anytime soon. Even in the used market here in Canada, EVs are more like $30K, which is way out my my price range...

I think a company out there needs to make a ‘2CV’ of EVs with just your expected usual features (power windows, cruise, A/C) and a cheaper price point....I get that the batteries are expensive, but if it were cheaper so that they sold a lot of them at a smaller profit, wouldn’t that make up for the cost of the batteries just through sheer sales numbers?

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Jim Spanfeller
07/03/2020 at 16:02

I wholehearted tly agree and join you in ‘ g rumpy old man yelling at clouds’ land :P

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > fintail
07/03/2020 at 16:04

Euro spec is a good point. But at the same time, couldn’t you get similarly specced 210's?

Yeah they can be real bad, but I see 200k+ ones all the time with no rust at all, not even exhaust bolts.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > avalonian
07/03/2020 at 16:12

Not the Sienna. Ours needed a new power steering pump, rack, and rear main seal by 215,000 km.

fintail > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
07/03/2020 at 16:17

In Europe, yeah. Same for 124s. I remember seeing an absolute lowline early 124 200D in Italy I think, I kind of wanted it. Cars like that could be imported easily today, and wouldn’t be too expensive. It seems rust became less of an issue from 123s onward, until 202s anyway.

Speaking of lowline, I also had a lowline (cloth interior) early 212 E200 diesel as a rental car once. It reminded me of the fintail in terms of performance, but it would get up to 200 km/h and cruise.

Living in this part of the world is a savior for those cars, and for our sanity. One of the rustiest not too ancient MBs I saw was a late run 126, in the early 00s. It came from eastern Canada, I told the owner to walk away and find another. They actually followed my suggestion.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 16:30

I hear you. I’m in Southern Alberta.

I checked earlier today, and any Bolts in the area are $44k. Cheapest used on Auto Trader are still $25k, and in Quebec. Cheapest in the states are still around $15-17k USD.

GoodIdeaAtTheTime > Cash Rewards
07/03/2020 at 16:35

My 2012 Prius C has gone 105,000 miles with zero issues, my friend’ s 08 has 405,000 miles and I just replaced the battery, only issue out of it . All I’ve done is basic maintenance and it has n ever left me stranded, stuck, or needing a shop, yet. The big service is coming up though, and they are known the eat head gaskets around 100k so...... kind worried, a head gasket is a 3 day job. Anyway , It is not fun to drive, it does not bring a smile to my face, and my wife is embarrassed to be seen in it :D but it just works and gets 62 mpg. So I can have fun with the money I am saving over the Xterra it replaced. My next car will be 100% electric, either a Volt, or a Model 3, or the Karma my friend is outfitting with parts from his wrecked Model S... kinda want that one, it is b-e-a-utiful.

dogisbadob > Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available
07/03/2020 at 17:14

For the 299999 cars, the board doesn’ t have the typical 888888 digits. It was a88888, so it still should’ve been able to handle 399999 and not 299999

Who is the Leader - 404 / Blog No Longer Available > dogisbadob
07/03/2020 at 17:27

Really saving pennies on the hundred thousand with excluding those extra 2 lines.

Taylor Martin > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
07/03/2020 at 17:43

One of the reasons I wanted an older car as my first car was so that I could drive it into the ground, and I’d be easier to fix. But safety is a thing that’s kinda important, at least to my mother, so we settled. I wouldn’t say my car is advanced, but it’s got a bunch of tech stuff that, once it does fail, will make the car 1.) unsellable in the condition and 2.) harder to fix/drive.

Either spend a lot to fix it, or sell it for nothing at all... although there’s the third option of just driving the thing until it’s too far gone. I just wish cars were simpler.

Bookmarking this post in case I ever need it down the line. Not a big truck guy, but I am a huge fan of long lasting reliability.

avalonian > BaconSandwich is tasty.
07/03/2020 at 18:41

Whats that in American numbers lol. And was it just isolated to that, because honestly if that was only the problem. I would still give the blanket statement of they are all fairly reliable. Plus, no easy steering means better triceps .

BaconSandwich is tasty. > avalonian
07/03/2020 at 18:43

More like a burned power steering belt and a pool of liquid under the van. :(

That's about 135,000 miles. There's also been a number of small trim bits that have had issues.

JMKarstetter > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/03/2020 at 22:22

1998-2007 Toyota Land Cruisers, I have a 2006 with almost 287,000 miles on it, still runs like new, and everything works, including the hydraulic suspension mine was optioned with. I love it. There are a couple of maintenance things that need to be watched or taken care of, but there are 2 Tundras with the same drive-train that have hit 1,000,000 miles, and numerous owners over 300,000 and 400,000 miles.

Kinja'd!!!